Buying the right boat is just the beginning of the liveaboard journey. For many sailors, the real work starts after the purchase—refitting, learning the systems, and preparing for life at sea.
In this episode, you’ll hear a story about buying and refitting a boat, transitioning to full-time life on the water, and putting it all to the test with a shakedown cruise to Alaska. With expert help where needed and plenty of hands-on learning, my guest shares what it was like to navigate the challenges of boat ownership and prepare for life at sea.
In this episode of the Liveaboard Sailing Podcast, we talk about:
⚓ The boat-buying process and what really matters when choosing a liveaboard vessel
🛠 Tackling a refit with guidance from Pelagic Blue
🌊 A first offshore sail to Alaska
📖 The value of having a good quality, all-weather logbook
If you’re dreaming of cruising or in the thick of boat projects, pop your headphones on and give this one a listen!
Check out Alya’s business Backstay.ink for super nice, all-weather logbooks!
Transcript
Annika: So Alya, can you share what initially inspired you and your partner Vasilii to pursue this lifestyle? Do you remember that moment when you decided this is it? This is what we’re going to do.
Alya: so it, it happened in October and I think what led to this, it was that we both wanted to live in a smaller space and also be able to travel with the boat. Both of us tried to consume less and you know, if you live in an apartment, it’s quite challenging because you have so much space and do you buy things that you don’t need?
And just living on the boat felt like it could be something that would align with our values and also make the life easier. And, you know, we would enjoy like simple things.
Annika: So, all of that resonates with me because it’s, it’s exactly what goes on in my mind as well, like, yeah, when I live simply, you know, downsize a little bit and just have that home that you can travel with, you know, have a home, but also see the world.
Alya: Yes. Yes, exactly. Because, you know, if you live in a smaller space, you have to be mindful of what you buy, what you own, and you can start appreciating the things you have even more. And then it’s a nice advantage of not needing to pack when you go somewhere. You just take your boat with you.
Annika: Exactly. No, that’s so true. And did you have sailing background or sailing experience before this?
Alya: That’s an interesting question. So we tried sailing when we were on vacation. We did sail small hobby cats and Vasily did sailing after that. He took some courses, he went sailing. I didn’t do that. So honestly, it was. I don’t know why, but at some point I’m like, I want to live on a boat and it felt like the right choice.
So when I decided that this is what I wanted to do, I started getting more into sailing and took courses and you know, learned more, but it wasn’t that I was sailing for a long time. I’m like, this is the next progression. It was quite a, quite a rapid change.
Annika: And that’s what I hear from a lot of people, myself included, don’t have a whole lot of sailing history. I’ve not sailed since I was a child or anything like that. You still need to learn a lot, but you know, there’s something in this lifestyle that just keeps pulling me into it.
Alya: It’s, you know, and it’s hard to tell why exactly it was a boat that we wanted to do that because I didn’t watch any YouTubes about sailing. I didn’t know people who lived on the boat. It’s just somehow I felt like this would be the right choice.
Annika: and has it been the right choice so far?
Alya: I would, yeah, I would say so. I really enjoy living on a boat. Um, the transition for me wasn’t that difficult, like moving to a smaller space. I’m very thankful for the sailing community because it’s easier to make friends, to meet your neighbors. Everyone is just incredibly helpful and try to, you know, give you advice, just talk to you.
It’s, it’s a nice change.
Annika: Yeah, absolutely. And how long have you been on the boat now?
So we’ve been living close to two years now. We had our boat for longer, but we’ve been live aboard for almost two years.
I wanted to talk to you about your boat. And, we kind of have a friend and mentor in common, uh, John Neal, who you found through this podcast. So this is such a wonderful full circle moment. John was one of my first guests on the very very first season of the podcast and of course he’s been back many times since then but can you tell me a little bit? How did john help you guide your journey with with this boat?
Alya: Well, first of all, I wanted to say thank you for the podcast. So when we decided to become liverboards, we didn’t know a lot about, you know, the lifestyle, if it was possible and the podcast was such a great resource because you could listen to other people doing that. You could listen to some experts like John Neal.
It was a great help. So I listened to that podcast with John, and, Vasilii and I decided to reach out to John and ask him for help to find us a boat. And I think it was a great decision because John was incredibly patient and, you know, calm and knowledgeable. He knows a lot about the boats and he Um, I think if we didn’t have John helping us, we would end up with a different boat.
So, for example, The boat that we now have, we were hesitant about buying because it was farther away and like, Oh, should we go and see it? And John encouraged us to go and look at the boat. And you know, it was the perfect boat for us. We came in and it just felt right. John is like, Oh, this is the right boat because it is a good stable boat that would feel comfortable when you’re going offshore.
They don’t have a lot of issues. Um, it’s just, I’m very happy we worked with John. And if you ever have any questions, he is there to answer them, to find you support, like surveys, or answer any, anything you have, any
Annika: Yeah, he is so helpful.
He’s a great reality check as well, because it’s so easy to get carried away with some boats. And then he’s like, oh, but did you think about this? And with the boat of this kind or this age or this type, there’s, These a few things to think about.
So have you thought about those? It’s like, oh yeah, uh, not really.
Alya: yes,
Annika: he’s a great help. Well, and so your, uh, your boat, the Morgan 384, then became your floating home. And he said, you’ve been living on it now for two years already. So why did you choose this particular boat? You said that it felt right. How did it feel right? What stood out in that?
Alya: it’s, you know, hard explain. I think like I went to see a few boats and some of them nice boats, but for some reason I didn’t have the same reaction. Um, I think what attracted us is that the boat felt really sturdy and, you know, safe and reliable. It’s easy to walk on the boat and you don’t feel like you will fall.
could also tell that the boat was taken care of, which is important when you buy an older boat, because you don’t know exactly what you are getting into. Um, we looked at, like, everything we could, like, we checked the equipment, everything looked quite well, um, and just the boat felt like it could be safe and trusted.
Annika: I know exactly that feeling, uh, having just seen two very different boats, and the first one was like, hmm, I don’t know about this one. This feels a bit small, like, it’s nice, nothing really wrong with it, and then you go on another boat, like, this feels very homey, you know? It’s, it’s, it’s a funny thing.
It’s just, yeah, I know that it’s a feeling, and it’s hard to explain, but there’s something there.
Alya: Yes, exactly.
Annika: Um, what condition was the boat in when you bought it?
Alya: You know, it was good. the problem with all the boats. There are some hidden things you never know exist. Even with the survey they cannot find everything that’s wrong. I think the probably the biggest issues we have, there are some leaks that we need to fix. But the engine works fine.
most of the equipment is in a good condition. Just outside boat is in a good condition. It’s just some wear and tear because, it’s an older boat and you, you have to expect some issues. You cannot expect it to be new without any issues.
Annika: Yeah, and that’s why John’s been a good help because he, he knows a lot of the sort of common problems on, on
certain boats and, and things to look out for, which is, uh, so helpful when you’re approaching this, like we are like, uh, we don’t know how a lot, but, uh, we got a lot of enthusiasm and not that much knowledge yet. So how extensive was the refit that you had to take? You said that you owned the boat for longer than you’ve been living on it, so I assume that was the time when you did a little bit of work on that, and I’m wondering, were there some challenges in that sort of refit period?
Alya: Yeah. You know, first of all, I didn’t realize how much work it is to refit a boat. I think when you get into an idea of buying a boat, You’re very optimistic and you don’t realize that you will need to learn a lot, that you will tackle some things you haven’t done before, and it can be intimidating sometimes.
Some of the issues that we had, as I mentioned, the leaks, so we had to move forward the , windlass. Because There was some mold and it was also uncomfortable to be in the v berth. and the project took us three months instead of one that we planned. We had to reglass the anchor locker. We had to fix the holes.
Renew the headliner because there was a hole now. It was quite, quite a long project. Like minor improvements, like installing solar panels, changing batteries, and changing the hoses, and things like that.
Annika: Yeah, and it’s such a common story, like, we thought we were gonna be done in a month, but what do you know, it took three times longer.
Alya: yes. I think it’s important to multiply it by three when you think a project will take you 20 hours. Plan for 60.
Annika: Yes, okay, that’s it, that’s a good tip. Now, did you have any help in the refit side of the things as well, because again, having come into this with relatively little boat knowledge or experience, did you get any help for that?
Alya: So we did most of the work ourselves. We hired someone to do the batteries, but what we did is, first of all, we went to John’s offshore, seminar and we met Julie and Gio and they were teaching the electrical part and the engine part. So we learned a few things. Like we learned how to crimp, how to choose wires, how to change impellers and some, you know, basic maintenance.
We also started working with them as our consultants and they guided us in sense what needs to be done. But most of the time we try to do the project ourselves because we want to be able to fix it later on if it happens when we are not close to marine technicians or to the marine store. So we want to be able to do it ourselves and know the systems on our boat very well.
Annika: Yeah, and that makes total sense. And I’m so glad to hear that you work with Julie and gio, too. This is fantastic. They are such a wonderful couple, and they have so much advice and knowledge to share. So I’m so glad to hear you know them as well.
Alya: Yes. They’re so nice. It’s, it’s been amazing to work with them because both of them are so encouraging, like every time they’re like, you’re doing so well, you’re doing great job. And it’s nice to have this encouragement when, you know, you feel overwhelmed or you have so many projects.
Both of them are also really knowledgeable, so they can point out some things you didn’t think of. Like, you know, Oh. This is the projects you need for the offshore. You should do this or like you can skip this one. It’s not, it’s not that important. Yeah, they’re great. You
Annika: was it then like sailing your own boat that you had done all this work on to get it ready to go sailing?
Alya: You know, it, it was great. I think
I trust, I trust the boat a lot. You know, like, even if something stressful is happening, I know that I can be comfortable in her that she’s safe and she’s stable. She behaves really well in like rough weather. She stays quite comfortable. And it’s just, it’s a nice feeling. It feels so strange to be in the boat.
And you’re just floating. And the boat keeps you safe and you go to new places. You can meet new people, see nature. I don’t think you get the same with the car, like when you drive somewhere. But with the boat, it feels so unique. And you feel so thankful for the boat. Because the boat takes you to places. And it’s a great, it’s a great feeling.
Annika: And you got the, uh, wind moving you. So it’s all very potentially serene depending on the weather.
Alya: Yes. Depending on the weather, yes.
Annika: Now, speaking of the weather, I’ll have to ask since you said that you live aboard and you’re in the Pacific Northwest. So, winters are Sometimes interesting in that part of the world. Have you gotten snow in the last couple of winters that you lived on your boat?
Alya: No, we didn’t have snow. We had some cold weather. But no, no snow. And I’m hoping for no snow this winter as well.
Annika: Yes, we’ll keep our fingers crossed. Do you have any sort of winter survival tips? Even if there’s no snow, I know winter can still be tough time on a sailboat.
Alya: Yeah. So the only tip I have is I use bubble wrap for the hatches and the, I think they try, like they easy to install. You just keep them from the previous year and then you put some water on the hatches and you attach them. And I think they keep some of the heat inside. But that’s pretty much it. Winters are actually not that bad, I would say.
It’s a bit cold when you have to go outside, and it can be windy. But winters are not that long, and you can, you know, you can survive them. Yeah.
Annika: coming from Finland or Canada, like, oh, the Pacific Northwest winters are not that bad.
Alya: Yeah. Yeah.
Annika: that there’s still an experience, but I’m glad to hear that it hasn’t been too much of a, uh, a negative experience for you.
So that’s, that’s great.
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Annika: Now, I know you did a bit of a shakedown cruise and, uh, you went to Alaska and I definitely want to talk about that because it sounds amazing. And of course, sailing all the way to Sitka sounds like such a cool adventure. So how was that sailing? And I think was that one of your first sort of longer trips?
Alya: This was the longest one that we did. It took us two months from departure from Seattle to coming to Vancouver. The sailing was actually great. We had quite a few days when we could sail even through inside passage. And when we were coming offshore, we had quite comfortable weather.
There were some, you know, confused seas, but the wind was steady and comfortable. And we just got to see a lot of new places, and the nature was amazing, just stunning.
Annika: And did you encounter any kind of challenges or maybe weather conditions that tested your skills or the boat?
Alya: yeah, I think the surprise for me was, um, the tidal changes in Alaska. I’ve heard about them, like I knew they were something I needed to expect, but it was quite a difference from what I got used to. So, because we are sailboat, we had to plan when we would leave. It meant longer days, and we tried to time our arrivals for slack time, because docking could be challenging.
We have a long keel, so we are not as It’s easily maneuverable and I didn’t realize that even like one knot current can affect the boat so much. So you need to be careful when you dock and you know, once I saw a fishing vessel trying to dock five times because the current was so strong, they were just, the current was pushing them from the dock and it’s not something we’re used to here and you know, there are just a few places where you have like five, seven knots of current here in like British Columbia and Washington. But I think it’s normal in Alaska, like the, you need to time everything.
Annika: Yeah, okay, so it takes a little more planning, maybe, than somewhere else.
WelL, obviously, when I think of Alaska, my mind goes to the amazing wildlife, both on land and at sea, and in air. I’m thinking mosquitoes, so
Alya: Oh yes, there were some no see’ems, and it just, it was a challenge. Oh, and there was like one place with deer flies. It was such a beautiful place, but you couldn’t just be outside during the sunny days, because they would come and try to bite you.
Annika: Yeah, and they really bite you, don’t they?
Deerflies,
Alya: you, yes. But just the nature is, it’s stunning. Like, I didn’t expect, like everyone is like, Oh, Alaska is so beautiful. And I honestly thought I wouldn’t like it. And I was stunned when I saw Alaska. And just, you see so many animals. We had dolphins swimming with us. We saw, uh, whales, bubble net feeding, and it’s an incredible experience to see animals that close.
Annika: Yeah, absolutely. In their own nature or in their own wild habitat.
Alya: Yeah, I usually feel uncomfortable, like I, I feel uncomfortable when I, to go to the zoo, so if I get to see animals in the wild, it’s a highlight of the day for me.
Annika: Oh, absolutely. And that’s one of the best parts of sailing, I think.
Alya: Yeah, I agree.
Annika: Now, obviously the point of a shakedown cruise is to figure out what works and what doesn’t on the boat. So did you find anything on the boat that you needed to fix, or alter, or anything like that.
Alya: I would say, in general, we, we were quite lucky, so nothing really broke. The only thing was that our autopilot stopped working when we were offshore, and because we didn’t have a wind vane, we had to hand steer for five days. But it was just poor planning on our side. But, I would say a shakedown cruise is a great idea because you realize you need to add something like we added a riding sail just to feel more comfortable when we are on anchor and it’s windy.
Um, we realized we didn’t have enough solar panels and we installed them before we left for offshore. We did a few like, we added a few equipment pieces so we could, like, charge, uh, from DC, for example. When you live on a boat, it’s not the same as cruising because you use the boat differently. So, if you do a shakedown and nothing breaks, it’s great, but you can also see, you know, oh, I need to add this equipment or this is something I could do differently.
It’s, it’s, it has been a helpful, helpful experience.
Annika: Yeah, absolutely. Now, Alaska is such a unique destination, and, uh, it’s so conveniently close to where you are in the world, but but there are a lot of cruisers, out there who are wanting to go to Alaska, and I’m wondering what you have, um, any other advice aside from paying attention to those, tidal ranges and all those planning aspects.
Alya: Um, so first one would be to spend as much time as you can. so we spent two months and it wasn’t enough just to see even I would say one percent of what Alaska has to offer. There’s so many places and so many coasts you could stay in. It’s, it’s beautiful. My second advice would be to be able to, to fix your boat yourself, to do at least some basic maintenance and think what spare parts you might need when you go to Alaska.
It’s not as easy to get equipment there because they have less stores and usually it means shipping from the U. S. Um, and it’s quite a challenge to find someone to work on your boat. And, you know, if something happens and you don’t want to spend like a few weeks waiting for someone to come and fix your boat, uh, so learning how to change impellers, change filters, do some electrical work, I think it would be a beneficial skill because it’s not as easy to find someone to work on your boat out there.
Annika: Yeah, perfect. That makes sense. And what is the sailing season in Alaska? How early does it start? Does it start in May already or is that too early?
Alya: No, I think people leave in May and they come close to October, so some people stay up to October.
Annika: Oh, right. Well, okay. That’s a lot longer
Alya: it’s quite long, yeah.
Annika: That would be nice to see Alaska in the fall as well. Come to think of it, when the fall is starting.
Not too late, but you know, when it gets a little bit colder, you get the proper Alaskan feel.
Alya: Yes, and see the foliage.
Annika: Yeah, all the trees, because there sure are a lot of them. So, that’s true. Now, looking back on this, Alaskan shakedown cruise and, and all the work that you did, before you started what are you most proud of? That you’ve done so far.
Alya: so sailing back offshore was quite a nice like accomplishment. It felt incredible to just being the only boat out there because we didn’t see any boats. Uh, you can enjoy silence. You can. See sunrises and sunsets, and you can appreciate the work that you’ve done, and appreciate the boat even more, because it’s, it’s incredible that a small boat can take you so far.
Annika: Yeah, that’s true. And when you’re out there in the open ocean, then you really feel that, hopefully feel that you’re very safe
Alya: yes, boat is keeping you safe. yes, exactly, this is exactly the feeling I had.
Annika: Now, in addition to your liveaboard journey, I also want to talk about something because you’re also the founder of Backstay. inc, which is all about designing and printing marine logbooks for all weather use.
And They look amazing. So tell me what inspired you to start this business?
Alya: So the first time I went offshore, it was rough and the log book I had at that time, it kept falling and it got wet. it just looked terrible after, after that trip. So I started looking for a waterproof logbook to keep the record safe and I couldn’t find anything. So. I started thinking about doing this.
I also had a few ideas of how to make sailing a little bit less stressful. And I decided to create a reference guide and a reusable checklist. Because, Of course, we all have the books with all this information, but when you are stressed, if something happens, you don’t want to go and look for that book.
And usually, logbook is something you keep close, and if you have a reference guide there, it just might give you some confidence when a stressful situation happens. and this is how the, uh, All weather logbook happened and then later Julie and Gio from Pelagic Blue Cruising and I, we did the offshore logbook and maintenance logbook and it’s been great doing this.
I know that it’s, it’s challenging to try new products when you are used to something. So I’m very thankful for the sailing community for trusting the logbooks and taking them with them offshore and sailing around the world, it’s an honor to do that.
Annika: Oh, that sounds great. And I love this origin story on how it came out of really just practical experience and need for something that that didn’t exist and how your own experience is gonna shape this whole, design of these logbooks. So that’s amazing. And then now that there’s more use for them through Julie and Gio with the offshore logbook. So that’s so great.
I’m so happy to hear that. Now we’ve chatted a bit about, your journey as liverboards and refits and, and your shakedown cruises and all this. So I’m wondering for anyone else who’s just kind of starting out on their liverboard journey.
And it may or may not be talking about myself, but especially anyone who’s considering a refit. What’s the most important, advice that you would give?
Alya: So for me, the, the best decision I made was to go and study at Marine Tech Skagit Valley College. They teach marine technicians, for engines and electricians, and it’s just a great skill to have if you know how to fix your boat. properly, you know, it will save you time and money in the future.
And, I know that it’s hard to take that much time to do that, , there are places that offer weekend classes, like, um, for example, Mike Beamer, he is the, department chair of the college. He also organizes weekend classes. And we have classes for like the engine for women, for women, and then electrical systems for women, which is great because you can learn in, you know, safe and welcoming environment.
And you can get a lot of skills that you need to be able to do at least the basic maintenance of your boat.
Annika: Yeah, and that’s such a key component to increasing your confidence too, I’m sure. I would definitely need to dive into all of that, because I know nothing about engines, aside from, do they look clean or not, that’s, that’s all I got.
There
Alya: can see the leaks.
Annika: That’s true, I’m not starting from zero, I know something. Thankfully, Adam knows a lot more than I do, so he’s currently, planned to be the mechanic, but I guess it would be, fair for me to be, uh, aware of things as well.
Alya: Well, you can take the electrical part.
Annika: Yeah, there’s definitely a lot of boat chores to be shared around. You know, there’s never a shortage of jobs to do on a boat.
Alya: Well, no, there’s not. Like, in our case, Vasilii is doing the electrical part at college and I’m doing the mechanical one. So, we split the tasks between us. Uh, a lot of times it could be both of us doing them because it’s easier to do them together. But just having the knowledge is, great because you definitely save time. If you know how to do things properly.
Annika: Plus, you can help others as well, which is great. So you are actually taking a full on course to, to study this.
Alya: Yeah, so we’re doing the same thing that Julie and Gio did. So they are certified marine technicians. And they always advise people to study as much as you can, know your boat, learn how to sail. And we couldn’t agree more, so we decided to do the same thing, and because even being here, realize it’s not always easy to find someone to work on your boat, and if you’re planning to go offshore or to, you know, foreign countries, it’s good to know what needs to be done, and if you know how things, you will be more comfortable. When you’re, sailing and you’re far away.
Annika: Yes, that is so true. And especially once you enter a country where you don’t speak the language, or maybe don’t speak fluently. And if you can, fix some of the basic things, at least yourself, then that’s gonna be so helpful. And, uh, you know, I mentioned before we started chatting that we’ve been boat shopping in France here a little bit, and then we realized that we’re gonna have to get a survey and, and everything, and that we actually need to get in English, because our French is not as advanced, or like, where did we find an English speaking surveyor here? Because we can do all the chit chat and the boat viewings and all that we’ve done in French, which is great, but for anything kind of that important, like a survey, I was like, yeah, we definitely need to, find somebody who can do this in English for us, so I don’t know if we need to end up flying somebody from The UK or if there’s somebody here locally, so we’ll, we’ll get a lot of research to do, but just, yeah, the language can definitely be a little bit of a barrier as well.
So whenever you can do things yourself and you have the knowledge in you and the skills, that’s going to be very helpful, going forward. And speaking of going forward, what is next for you once you’re done your studying and then you’ll be experts on your boats and then all things to mechanic and electrical.
So what do you got planned next?
Alya: for this year, we are planning to do more refits. We are hauling out the boat and doing some projects for a few months. We also plan to go to the west coast of Vancouver Island. And I would also like to go to Northern BC once again before we go south. My dream is to see spirit bears. And I’ve never seen them, so You know, a few months just looking for them, that would be awesome.
Annika: Oh, that sounds amazing. That would be such a special thing to see a spirit bear. I’ve never seen any either, although I know they only lived on the west coast for a couple of years. But I have read about them and they, they are so special. And, yeah, the northern BC area would be so great to go sail anyway.
Even if you see, your brown bears or grizzly bears, you know, that’s, that’s still very special. But yeah, the spirit bears, that would be very, very cool. And I’ve also heard a lot of good things about, visiting Haida Gwaii.
Although I think there is a permit of some sort that you need to get, but that would be a very nice experience as well to,
Alya: Yes.
Annika: that. So,
Alya: Yeah, we haven’t seen anything, like we just sailed past and we couldn’t even see the, the island. It was so far.
Annika: Oh, you were so far
Alya: yeah, yeah, we were almost, we were a hundred miles offshore,
so we didn’t see it,
Annika: yeah.
okay, so you’ve been really offshore and then now you gotta go back. I see now, yes. You gotta return to actually see what you passed.
Alya: yes, exactly.
Annika: That makes sense. Oh, wonderful. Well, Alya thank you so much for chatting with me about your experiences, about your journey into the liveaboard life.
And, and I look forward to seeing what comes next for you, whether you go to BC and whatever you head further south and all that. It sounds very exciting.
Alya: Thank you. Thank you so much for inviting me. It was such a pleasure to talk to you.
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